10 comments on “Up again at two in the morning

  1. I wish there was a solution to all of this. You feel you compromise something in your own perception, as soon as there’s a need to connect others, and consider it dishonest. Is it guilt feeling? Yet, no two individuals are the same, and no two groups. And: we write by consensus ‘horse’, not ‘horz’, for unanimous understanding. Reaching out to others by ‘explaining’ your perception may be an act of love, if done with the right intention.

    • Not quite, I think. When I write something like this, I’m more trying to put on finger on what the issue is. I apologize in the sense that I’m thinking out loud and passing it off as a post.

      It’s more a question of identity. The “role playing” does sometimes happen in relationships – where one or the other (or both) of us find ourselves playing parts and talking past each other. But I’m usually pretty good one or one or with small groups.

      It’s more a generalized loss of self. It’s not whether I’m perceived or not, Rather, I can be overwhelmed and shepherded down a pre-ordained path that isn’t really who or what I am. I’m think my beliefs, viewpoints, tastes – while comfortably within the realm of normal, are enough off that they sometimes conflict with pre-conceived notions.

      The best analogy I can give is a mosh pit. I discovered my identity there. If I stood still or tried to accommodate people who were crashing into me, it didn’t work. The best way to come out of the whole thing was to push back..

      • ‘It’s more a generalized loss of self.’

        This is what I tried to say… largely. You have a certain idea of yourself, a perception of yourself. Naturally it does never 100% match other people’s thinking/feeling/wishing, which forces us sometimes to explain or change certain behaviors.

        • Interesting question – there are things that are changeable / malleable /optional, and things that aren’t. It is hard to explain, but there is a contiguous thing – a personal self – that doesn’t change its fundamental nature. Yet much of interaction involves how I relate to a person, react to a person, change or grow in response. On one level, if change is required or demanded, and if it is close enough to that core person – it is wrong. It’s not guilt so much as a profound violation of self.

          That’s different than the role-playing, way we see ourselves, how we force each other to interract. We create dramas. These are simply untrue – but they don’t hazard the self. Their just constraining and dishonest. In a relationship, if we were to “fix” the “problems” with the characters, but the characters weren’t truly us, we’d not get anywhere. It’s sort of a surface versus substance issue.

          • ‘In a relationship, if we were to “fix” the “problems” with the characters, but the characters weren’t truly us, we’d not get anywhere.’

            True. That’s maybe because in a relationship people are more confronted with each other than otherwise. You can’t ‘hide’, the smallest things matter.

    • 2nd response: I gave a long, rambling answer, so I thought I should try again. Communication was probably the biggest issue in my last failed romance. She required a far greater amount of reassurance than I was used to. And it somehow ended up devolving into an ever repeating conversation about what was wrong with me. But I can’t blame her – I’ve been on the other side of that. And the fault – though I don’t like terms like that – was mostly mutual.

      I think I became a little intolerant of behaviors that came from hidden agendas – where whether you call or text or what you say is intended to get a desired effect not related to thing in itself.

      But it always boiled down to I should be something other than I am. I know that was not the intent to start out, and I know what I’m saying here suggests I have the opposite view. But when every third conversation makes you go away feeling bad about yourself, you’re in a toxic mess.

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