6 comments on “Some (overly wordy) Disorganized Thoughts

    • Thanks for the comment. I don’t think I can reconcile the two – though doesn’t speak to whether or not they can be reconciled.

      A couple of factors would make me see it differently. If you mean ought only in terms of morality or effectiveness, then I accept that there is an ought – though it is not as easily discerned as we imagine. But the ought I see at work is most often trivial. It is about perception or taste, even about appearance or priority.

      I would also have less opposition to the ought if it were in any sense a real thing. It probably is, but again, the one that usually functions is a purely arbitrary and capricious concept. Its about feeling better than others, different is defective.

      This is a human trait, I think – sometimes it grows out of ignorance or lack of self-examination. I mean: the way I do things or want things or am used to things is right just because it is the way I do things or want things or am used to them. And even if you don’t conform, you have to recognize my place – my way is better.

      That notion is loathesome and hostile to me. (Which is, of course, my preference.)

      Even when it grows from a place of compassion … even when the speaker is well-intentioned, it is still about fixing defects. It is still hostile and arrogant. (Made worse, naturally, when the majority of a given population share the preference.)

      • Those reasons you mention–the ignorance, lack of self examination, and delusion that one is in the godlike state of being the standard of how others should do and say things–are why I think acceptance of differences are good. My patriotism to this idea swells when I read “One way of being is not better than the other; neither is it worse. It isn’t illness; it isn’t brokenness, it isn’t evil, it isn’t unspirituality, it isn’t sin. It is just difference.” It doesn’t sound like you’re claiming all character traits are fine, including murderous tendencies, rather, I take it you’re saying that there are numerous way for one to be, and that diversity is only alright, but desirable. You put it well the way the usual attitude sees it: “Nonconformity within extremely rigid bounds is highly praised. But those bounds are fixed and absolute. Different is defective.”

        What I mean by reconciling the ought and the individuality is a fear of mine. Sometimes I fear that to get closer to the universal and absolute standards of moral right and goodness is to sacrifice individuality. That to be virtuous is to model one’s own characteristics after a certain universal standard, after which everyone has the same characteristics.

        • Thanks very much for clarifying. What an interesting idea.

          I’ll have to think about this more (as my title implies, my thoughts at this stage are disorganized).

          But one question I’d ask: what if part of that ought is that there is supposed to be difference – almost infinite variety? Even if there are virtues (which I believe – at least I see them aesthetically), and even if there are evil actions (which I also acknowledge), I’m not sure that alignment with one and avoidance of the other would actually create uniformity. Unless one had an infinite perspective that was fixed so that it was unaffected by time / events – there would always difference of viewpoint, experience, taste, preference, feelings, likes, dislikes, interests, talents, visions. And even the way morals played out in individual situations would have great variance.

          A second notion only tangentially related to that: if your speaking of moral / ethical issues, actions can have value, but I don’t know that that value attaches to the individual actor. His or her worth is not really altered by it. I don’t think people have rank – even based on virute, morality, ethics, or vice. This is a separate notion than the first.

  1. Can I just say I want to scream right now…LOL…I just spent 10 minutes replying to your post and I hit something and it all disappeared…can I cry now? grrrrr…..I will come back and reply when I calm down ;)

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